Monday, August 18, 2008


FINDING TRUTH WHEREVER IT MAY BE FOUND - “I fear that my generation may be the last to grow up outdoors. I used to roam around for hours, hiking though the fields and woods or bicycling down country roads, completely unsupervised, which is unheard of today.” Wendell Berry in an interview in Sun Magazine, July 2008.

QUOTE II – (In an interview about liturgical music) “Change will occur, but it will not be the result of controlled efforts by would be innovators.” Karolyn Kope


Kaz, our correspondant from New York sent this in: "NBC is taking a poll on 'In God We Trust' to stay on our American currency." You can go here to cast your vote. It is a quick vote for removing it our against removing it. At this writing it stands at 60% for not removing it though I find the options they give rather limiting.

The Diocese of Cleveland Enewsletter reports, "The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) Department of Media Relations has developed a series of articles by USCCB experts on issues pertinent to the upcoming November elections. This is the first of a ten part series of USCCB articles that the Department of Communications, Diocese of Cleveland will present on a weekly basis. This week's article is titled: "Church Urges Humane, Comprehensive Solution to Immigration Issue". Here is the USCCB article. Here is "A Call to Faithful Citizenship".

They also ask, "Did you know...Catholic Engaged Encounter is a weekend retreat away with other engaged couples with plenty of time alone together to plan for a sacramental marriage?" Go here to find out more.

Like a proud papa Jay passes out cigars (made of bubblegum) and announces that Catholic Carnival 185 is waiting for you.

Lillian Marie (happy belated birthday) send this in for those who can make it, "New SCOTT HAHN BIBLE STUDY Series (“The BIBLE and the MYSTERY of the SACRAMENTS”) either SATURDAYS (9-11am), at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Parish (Wickliffe), or SUNDAYS (5-7pm), at Our Lady of Lourdes Shrine (Euclid), St.Ann Dining Hall. Dates: Sept. 13/14; 20/21; 27/28; Oct. 4/5; 11/12; 18/19; 25/26; Nov. 1/2; 8/9; 15/16 Who should come? Anyone who knows someone form whom the sacraments are mere rituals, or are man-made, or are no longer life-changing mysteries!!! Please register by contacting Greg Miller (216-261-7792) or


sattvicwarrior said...

60 % NOT removing it??
.. thats a biased poll for sure..It targets religious groups to respond. Where is any truth in onesidedness?? IT only promotes and confirms ignorence.. IF people need a reminder that spiritual Inspiration can be found associated with monetary value then they havent a CLUE what god consciousness is all about.

Anonymous said...

Atheists and agnostics are also free to respond to the poll. Having "In God we trust" on our currency reminds us that money is only a means to an end and not where we should place our trust. We need that reminder every day.

Anonymous said...

If you've ever read any of Scott Hahn's books ... the Bible Studies are even better! I have attended 2 of Greg's Bible Studies using Scott Hahn's books and they have been fabulous. We just finished Bible & the Mass - and it has greatly improved my understanding of the Mass.

Greg attends seminars & trainings in Steubenville, OH, where Scott Hahn's company is located. Greg, himself, is a wealth of information and a solid Catholic.

I highly recommend any of these Bible studies...even for those who are solid Catholics - there's a wealth of knowledge and I guarantee you'll learn something in each of the 10 classes.

sattvicwarrior said...

gee pat thats a very good point. Yet someone should have told that to the papacy in ROME over the centuries as they accquired wealth beyond means, all of which MONEY was the basis of its wealth .[ no seperation tween church and "state" there huh??]
The church even had a "tax" to help pay your way into heaven. its HOW they built thier empire in the UK i might add.
sounds like just another GUILT TRIP to justify the means.

Anonymous said...

SVW, the earthly wealth thing seems a bone of contention for you. I'd have to say it is that for many of us, because to put a tiara on Peter the fisherman seems a tad ludicrous. On the other hand, it is to represent our royal link to Christ the King and His Kingdom.. but we do -- since we have the Beatitudes as judge of our spirituality -- have to understand it is a spiritual Kingdom, not one of this world, so the bishopral wealth is a problem. It has been hard for me (and you and others, no doubt) to see some clergy living in extraordinarily well-fed warmth in big ol' empty rectories with attached big ol' empty parish halls, while other folks are shivering themselves to exhaustion under the bridges and out in the woods. These aren't the State's duty; they are the obligation of those who are Christ's and charged to act in His name. The early Church was to care for the widows and children. These today are the widows and children. The Church is to hold everything in common, as did Her first apostles. Jesus, by His chosen total humility -- born in a stable to folks who could only offer the two turtledoves, and His coming to His society's struggling souls first -- is one with the poor. Whatever we do to the least of these... Yes. There are indeed some lingering problems, and words really do not fix them.. but I've come to the conclusion that when something bugs me deeply about another, it's actually something in myself that I am addressing, something I need to do something about in my own life. Change, whether for self or other(s), begins with me. But not as a maverick entity--rather, as one of the whole, per Christ's own prayer.


Anonymous said...

SVW, now that you have explained it all to me, I guess I will have to leave the Church too. But before I go, I think I will read the book entitled How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr., just to check your facts.

Odysseus said...

-the papacy in ROME over the centuries as they accquired wealth beyond means-

Any major US unversity has more money than the Vatican.

Of course, all those black helicopters eat up most of the papal budget.

sattvicwarrior said...

anon .. GREAT response. and there is NO bone of contention, just taking off the rose coloured glasses and LOOKING at it for WHAT it is...
PAT ..
why on earth would you read a BOOK about it.?? there are THOUSANDS of articles in reference to the abuse of power created by the church. one doesn’t have to dig very far to see the TRUTH
. Also I am NOT categorizing everything into one consciousness. There are many in the church that are truly dedicated to the well being of others are truly connected with all the corporal works of mercy for the well being of those who need spiritual consol Those people are truly the children of god.
it’s the fat cats in their gilded robes and pointy hats. with their outdated dogma confirming the cesspool of mediocrity that has been established as truth over the centuries. ,
rob .. you say.” Any major US university has more money than the Vatican.”. dude . that's apples and oranges and has NOTHING to do what I am talking about

Unknown said...

Ok, apples to apples then...

What about the protestant Mega Churches? The ones who rake in millions of dollars every week? Trust me I would rather give money and trust the authority of the Bishops then Joel Osteen any day.

Anonymous said...

Hey! SVW, Regarding your question (why would I prefer reading a book to searching the internet), I want a thoroughly researched opposing viewpoint in summary form, including footnotes. Having completed my graduate degree in 1975, I learned to study and do research the old-fashioned way (reading actual books and journal articles). At this late date, I have neither the time nor the desire to learn how to do scholarly research (i.e., beyond “Google”) on the internet. Thus I prefer to rely on my favorite “search engine,” the librarian.