tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post7490172888664383850..comments2023-12-23T00:19:35.005-08:00Comments on ADAM'S ALE: THEY SAY THAT BREAKING UP IS HARD TO DO IIFr. Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-80701018342628170722007-06-22T14:20:00.000-07:002007-06-22T14:20:00.000-07:00Hi Fr. V,A point of order. An honest soul comment...Hi Fr. V,<BR/><BR/>A point of order. An honest soul commenting on my blog is a bit fired up that Anullment means that every act of sex in the anulled marraige was actually extramarital sex, and fornication, albeit unintentional since the parties thought they were married. Is this the case? Is part of the annulment process then reconciliation for those sins?<BR/><BR/>Thanks! BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-74653758212620887582007-06-15T10:02:00.000-07:002007-06-15T10:02:00.000-07:00Thank you! It more than helps. That answers some o...Thank you! It more than helps. That answers some of the major questions my students asked me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-52282675317165313922007-06-15T09:31:00.000-07:002007-06-15T09:31:00.000-07:00Greetings nab,Actually that would be a formal case...Greetings nab,<BR/><BR/>Actually that would be a formal case because these two people were married in a way that was recognized both civily and ecclesially. If there are no other extenuating circumstances, we would recognize that marriage as perfectly valid and so ot becomes one of the more difficult cases to dissolve. Another circumstance that would change things would be if we could prove that one of them was a Catholic who never formally left the Church. Then they could get a defect of form which is pretty quick and easy. OR - if one of the parties is planning to marry a Catholic they may get a Petrine privledge - OR still yet - if one of hte two non-babtized persons after their seperation and divorce converts to Christianity and wishes to marry they may obtain a Pauline privledge - both of which are easier to do than the formal case. (Too much information??? :>)<BR/><BR/>I started copying down other reasons for grounds and then decided just to copy and past something by Fr. Quirk in the Whealing-Charlston Diocese:<BR/><BR/>1. Insufficient Use of Reason [1095,1(] You or your spouse did not know what was happening during the marriage ceremony because of insanity, mental illness, or a lack of consciousness.<BR/><BR/>2. Grave Lack of Discretionary Judgment Concerning Essential Marital Rights and Duties [1095,2(] You or your spouse was affected by some serious circumstances or factors that made you unable to judge or evaluate either the decision to marry or the ability to create a true marital relationship.<BR/><BR/>3. Psychic-Natured Incapacity to Assume Marital Obligations [1095,3(] You or your spouse, at the time of consent, was unable to fulfill the obligations of marriage because of a serious psychological disorder or other condition.<BR/><BR/>4. Ignorance about the Nature of Marriage [1096 §1] You or your spouse did not know that marriage is a permanent relationship between a man and a woman ordered toward the procreation of offspring by means of some sexual cooperation.<BR/><BR/>5. Error of Person [1097 §1] You or your spouse intended to marry a specific individual who was not the individual with whom marriage was celebrated. (Except for mail-order brides, does not occur in the United States.)<BR/><BR/>6. Error about a Quality of Person [10967 §2] You or your spouse intended to marry someone who either possessed or did not possess a certain quality; e.g., social status, marital status, education, religious conviction, freedom from disease, or arrest record. That quality must have been directly and principally intended.<BR/><BR/>7. Fraud [1098] You or your spouse was intentionally deceived about the presence or absence of a quality in the other. The reason for the deception was to obtain marital consent.<BR/><BR/>8. Error regarding Marital Unity that Determined the Will [1099] You or your spouse married believing that marriage was not necessarily an exclusive relationship.<BR/><BR/>9. Error regarding Marital Indissolubility that Determined the Will [1099] You or your spouse married believing that the State had the power to dissolve marriage and that remarriage was acceptable after civil divorce.<BR/><BR/>10. Error regarding Marital Sacramental Dignity that Determined the Will [1099] You and your spouse married believing that marriage is not a religious or sacred relationship but merely a civil contract or arrangement.<BR/><BR/>11. Total Willful Exclusion of Marriage [1101 §2] You or your spouse did not intend to contract marriage as marriage is understood by the law of the Church. Rather, the ceremony was observed solely as a means of obtaining something other than marriage itself; e.g., to obtain legal status in the country or to legitimize a child.<BR/><BR/>12. Willful Exclusion of Children [1101 §2] You or your spouse married intending, either explicitly or implicitly, to deny the other's right to sexual acts open to procreation.<BR/><BR/>13. Willful Exclusion of Marital Fidelity [1101 §2] You or your spouse married intending, either explicitly or implicitly, not to remain faithful.<BR/><BR/>14. Willful Exclusion of Marital Permanence [1101 §2] You or your spouse married intending, either explicitly or implicitly, not to create a permanent relationship, retaining an option to divorce.<BR/><BR/>15. Future Condition [1102 §1] You or your spouse attached a future condition to your decision to marry; e.g., you will complete your education, your income will be at a certainly level, you will remain in this area.<BR/><BR/>16. Past Condition [1102 §2] You or your spouse attached a past condition to your decision to marry and that condition did not exist; e.g., I will marry you provided you have never been married before, I will marry you provided you have graduated from college.<BR/><BR/>17. Present Condition [1102 §2] You or your spouse attached a present condition to your decision to marry and that condition did not exist; e.g., I will marry you provided you don't have any debt.<BR/><BR/>18. Force [1103] You or your spouse married because of an external physical or moral force which you could not resist.<BR/><BR/>19. Fear [1103] You or your spouse chose to marry because of fear that was grave and inescapable and was caused by an outside force.<BR/><BR/>20. Lacking of New Consent during Co validation [1157 & 1160] After your civil marriage, you or your participated in a Catholic ceremony and you or your spouse believed that (1) you were already married, (2) that the Catholic ceremony was merely a blessing, and (3) that the consent given during the Catholic ceremony had no real effect.<BR/><BR/>Hope that helps.Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-9416420204662184892007-06-15T08:42:00.000-07:002007-06-15T08:42:00.000-07:00So I'm assuming in the two pagans married by a civ...So I'm assuming in the two pagans married by a civil official case, the decree of nullity is very quick? Or does that have less of an effect in comparison with what they knew about each other going in? <BR/><BR/>Also...can you give some of the more common grounds for annulment. I taught this to my students, and I was trying to give them the most obvious things--lying about freedom to marry, coercion, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com