tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post6648330636943821988..comments2023-12-23T00:19:35.005-08:00Comments on ADAM'S ALE: A BITTER CUP OF COFFEEFr. Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-77712717774420997402007-10-10T14:18:00.000-07:002007-10-10T14:18:00.000-07:00Wow! 30 minutes! Even I don't spend that much ti...Wow! 30 minutes! Even I don't spend that much time on my blog every day! Thanks for stopping by and for the kindly advice.Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-36249690349656762932007-10-08T14:30:00.000-07:002007-10-08T14:30:00.000-07:00I have been looking over this blog for about 30 mi...I have been looking over this blog for about 30 minutes now............ Fr. Valencheck you are ridiculous. Instead of sitting at your damn computer all day, why don't you get off<BR/>your butt, and minister to the people of God like you should - - feed the poor, clothe the naked, give food to the hungry, and bury the dead."<BR/><BR/>If people want to protest Starbucks because of a song played in their stores---that's there choice. There are so many organizations that all of<BR/>us partake in that most likely funnel money to organizations and places that we wouldn't approve. The world has to go on, not that we should be oppressing people. However, I don't see how this song is oppressing people.<BR/><BR/>Oh well, that's my take on it!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-13795983723512438582007-10-02T19:15:00.000-07:002007-10-02T19:15:00.000-07:00Wait, this wasn't a rebuff, only my take on this. ...Wait, this wasn't a rebuff, only my take on this. But I guess it comes across as that -- I am sorry. As soon as I posted I knew my comment really reflected misplaced heat about other news on the blogs:<BR/> the recent actions of the Connecticut bishops w/re plan B, the Pittsburgh Diocese public endorsement of the Bodies Exhibition, and the recent decision of Georgetown Univ to fund internships to pro-abortion groups, My angst came out in my hasty review of the Starbucks deal. Our own people are killing us...I just can't laugh at them, but at others' antics I can. Sometimes. But a rebuff of your post? No, none meant. Thanks for posting, thanks for the blog.John14:15https://www.blogger.com/profile/05250398915168340796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-14915996667438149892007-10-02T18:43:00.001-07:002007-10-02T18:43:00.001-07:00John - Now that I am not so hot I read your commen...John - Now that I am not so hot I read your comment and think you are right. There are much bigger issues at stake but it took being rebuffed at this RELATIVELY minor thing for me to act against this company.<BR/><BR/>You and many of the other commenters have made me see what more is truly at stake - and thank you all for reminding me to keep such people in prayer.<BR/><BR/>BUT - Universsl girl - your post comment gave me a good laugh - but unless I was starving to death and the corporation gave me a sausage egg mcmuffin with cheese, I can't see myself ever saying, "Thank you McDonalds, Thank you McDonalds!" ;0) (Just kidding)Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-33053178447627040522007-10-02T18:43:00.000-07:002007-10-02T18:43:00.000-07:00John - Now that I am not so hot I read your commen...John - Now that I am not so hot I read your comment and think you are right. There are much bigger issues at stake but it took being rebuffed at this RELATIVELY minor thing for me to act against this company.<BR/><BR/>You and many of the other commenters have made me see what more is truly at stake - and thank you all for reminding me to keep such people in prayer.<BR/><BR/>BUT - Universsl girl - your post comment gave me a good laugh - but unless I was starving to death and the corporation gave me a sausage egg mcmuffin with cheese, I can't see myself ever saying, "Thank you McDonalds, Thank you McDonalds!" ;0)Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-21799257333793986822007-10-02T13:24:00.000-07:002007-10-02T13:24:00.000-07:00Is that all the lyrics say about the Church? I th...Is that all the lyrics say about the Church? I think it is laughable and negligible, and not a reason to boycott Starbucks. Their support of abortion, I think that is a reason to boycott them. The high price of refreshment when so many are starving? That is a reason to put our money elsewhere. I think these insipid lyrics merely expose the lyricist's and Mitchell's angst from seeing the state of the world without benefit of God and His Church. Of course it is also possible they don't care about any of the world's troubles at all, but just figure these lyrics will sell CD's. Words are cheap.John14:15https://www.blogger.com/profile/05250398915168340796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-89859761231679060362007-10-02T09:19:00.000-07:002007-10-02T09:19:00.000-07:00Well, I'd never read the lyrics before, but they'r...Well, I'd never read the lyrics before, but they're awfully sad, aren't they? Another victim falls to the nihil, and the light she asks to shine is a flashlight. Folk singers and many others who consider themselves social justice activists have rarely been my cup of tea anyway. Some have always been hope-less, which is tremendously self-ish. It becomes readily apparent to me as an older woman that Joni is hurtin'; I'm moved to pray for her. (StarBUCKS is on its own, tho'. It has no soul.) <BR/><BR/>In all the anti-Catholicism that is rearing its crazy/ugly head, one thing is made clear: The Church has an impact. That's not bad news. But indeed, there are more hills than ever to die upon, and Jesus knew it was coming.. He addressed it long ago. As did JP II: Be not afraid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-4343072889533771732007-10-02T07:25:00.000-07:002007-10-02T07:25:00.000-07:00Hi Father,I think you should tell EVERYONE this st...Hi Father,<BR/>I think you should tell EVERYONE this story. I will forward this on too. And not go to Starbucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-14063902101423273772007-10-02T05:55:00.000-07:002007-10-02T05:55:00.000-07:00Fr. V ~ I totally agree with you ~ I'm Catholic to...Fr. V ~ I totally agree with you ~ I'm Catholic to my core and though I was previously a Joni Mitchell fan, I can be that no longer. I stopped being a Starbucks customer two months ago when the cute little boy behind the drive-up window couldn't do the math to make correct change, couldn't get my order right, and couldn't affix the top on the coffee, so it spilled all over my car. I went to McDonalds, it was cheaper, they can subtract, and they have better manners. I kept saying, "I LOVE MCDONALD'S. You guys rock!" I'm sure they thought I was crazy. So let's stand up for what's right. Slamming the Catholic Church? Not cool, not right. Sit down, Joni, we're not asking for a religion lesson. From YOU, anyway.Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11518420590851289457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-64111269829834518792007-10-01T22:55:00.000-07:002007-10-01T22:55:00.000-07:00Hi Father,You, me and cathy of alex--got the exact...Hi Father,<BR/>You, me and cathy of alex--got the exact same form letter--I posted it on my blog if you want to compare. And Starbucks says they are concerned about our opinions--yeah, right. <BR/><BR/>My daily coffee from the grocers was Starbucks Gold Coast Blend--it was good--but I have since found a new even better brand--Peerless--they even do fair trade. Good, I like the one with cinnamon. Also, where Iive we have the store Grounds for Coffee--so if I want to pay four bucks for a great latte--I'm going there--No more Starbucks for me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-23475469910206312952007-10-01T18:27:00.000-07:002007-10-01T18:27:00.000-07:00“We understand that our customers have diverse tas...“We understand that our customers have diverse tastes and perspectives. In selecting music, we strive to represent the work of a variety of talented artists who reflect many creative viewpoints. Starbucks is an avid supporter of free speech and the creative process. When considering new projects, our primary goal is always to help our customers discover and acquire quality music.”<BR/><BR/>Nonsense! They are a corporation and their bottom line is...well, their bottom line. Once they see that they have hit a raw cord and their profits are tanking, they would consider chanting monks on the next release if needed.<BR/><BR/>It is my contention that anti-Catholic bigotry is the last acceptable bigotry in this country. <BR/><BR/>Besides, aren't we the Church "militant?" ;)Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14319078647573190174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-56851828396504334602007-10-01T17:57:00.000-07:002007-10-01T17:57:00.000-07:00Father: Sounds like you got the same form letter I...Father: Sounds like you got the same form letter I did. I don't go there all that often so it's not a hardship for me to quit going. But, I'll never be going there again-nor, buying their products in the grocery stores.Cathy_of_Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795566831031491371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-34641873248672339972007-10-01T15:36:00.000-07:002007-10-01T15:36:00.000-07:00FYI - I linked to this article at my siteFYI - I linked to this article at my siteuncle jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879341171634900790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-55827197410342631552007-10-01T14:46:00.000-07:002007-10-01T14:46:00.000-07:00To be "dark" and pessimistic is "in" in our cultur...To be "dark" and pessimistic is "in" in our culture. The cynic is, I think, often seen as someone who has it all figured out, instead of just another one of the masses who's lost the ability to believe in anything.. or anyone. And so that's the category in which I'd place Ms. Mitchell. Just read the <A HREF="http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=Shine" REL="nofollow">lyrics</A> to her song.. they're not at all extraordinary. <BR/><BR/>The only line in the song that really attacks us is, "Shine on the Catholic Church and the prisons that it owns." I'm not even sure what that means. I'm guessing the Church keeps us all "locked down" with "rules" that imprison us. So says she.<BR/><BR/>Every other line in the whole song screams out, "I'm angry, angry, angry.. at corporations, my neighborhood, all the humans living around me, etc." The only thing that's extraordinary is that Starbucks would consider hers a "creative viewpoint" and it's sad that today her ranting is considered "quality music".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-29366725002757571502007-10-01T13:43:00.000-07:002007-10-01T13:43:00.000-07:00Father,This is such a relevant issue. In my opini...Father,<BR/>This is such a relevant issue. In my opinion, it's politically correct these days to bash catholics and all we stand for. People who are ex-catholics especially have a good time ridiculing the Church. Determining when to take a stand is difficult at times.<BR/>You are right- being catholic is who I am to my very core. It's hurtful when companies like Starbucks think it's okay to play music which bashes my religion/me. I will write a letter as well, but I'm sure I'll get the same "form letter" in response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-16564746714871415452007-10-01T08:28:00.000-07:002007-10-01T08:28:00.000-07:00We used to visit my old harbor town, a huge attrac...We used to visit my old harbor town, a huge attraction to tourists year-round, every weekend. We'd take the kids into the ice cream/good coffee/homemade candy shop--something for all of us (and if we go to the coast, I will be the one holding a hot coffee while others are eating fried clams). Anyway, after listening to the guy with the dulcimer with crowds of folks around him, and then having a young man try out his balloon act for us as we sat on the bus benches out front of the shop, I saw a young guy go by wearing a t-shirt that said, "F*** Starbucks." Hmm.. Well, darned right, because Starbucks is the Walmart bully of coffee vending! But why the immediacy of a t-shirt? We found out two weeks later, when we found the little shop closed forever, and a Starbucks on the corner in the Square. <BR/><BR/>And they can just keep their music, <I>too</I>. I hope music artists won't continue to pander to them anymore, especially those who entered music for reasons of making <I>music</I>.<BR/><BR/>Glad you wrote them. It doesn't mean it fell on deaf ears.. sometimes all we can do is plant a seed, and it will grow.<BR/><BR/>(JustMe)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-14091608395565699982007-10-01T06:44:00.000-07:002007-10-01T06:44:00.000-07:00I refuse to buy anything from Starbucks - I found ...I refuse to buy anything from Starbucks - I found out a couple years ago that they give to Pro-Choice groups, which, being Catholic, I abhor. I have been telling everyone I know about this. This is such a sacrifice to me because I really like their Frappaccinos (double mocha!). But I have to do what I believe - and I can not support an organization that supports abortion. I've been sticking with the mom & pop shops, which are probably better anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com