tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post1727271503098055879..comments2023-12-23T00:19:35.005-08:00Comments on ADAM'S ALE: ONE IS (not) THE LONLIEST NUMBER THAT YOU'LL EVER DOFr. Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-25843466127233873542010-09-08T15:25:34.679-07:002010-09-08T15:25:34.679-07:00Lest we forget ... two small points.
1. Through ...Lest we forget ... two small points.<br /><br />1. Through the ages the church was bought by rich families. It was not run from the pope down but from the rich and powerful down.<br /><br />2. It is exactly the "closed door", from the pope down attitude that hid and, therefore, encouraged child abuse. <br /><br />3. The church of my childhood is a fond memory. The church of Bishop Sheen is a fond memory. wouldst that they could/would return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-67638988455191360172010-08-26T12:30:40.370-07:002010-08-26T12:30:40.370-07:00"There is of course some Traditionalists Chur..."There is of course some Traditionalists Churches in these parts – those who never accepted the reforms of Vatican II. They also broke off and began their own parishes with their own priests who left the Catholic Church."<br /><br />Sacred Heart in Akron is run by the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen out of Spokane, WA. St. Therese in Parma by the Society of St. Pius V out of Oyster Bay, NY. These are sedevacantist mass centres.<br /><br />St. Peregrine in Westlake in run by the Society of St. Pius X out of Econe, Switzerland. The SSPX is, as many know, currently in doctrinal discussions with the CDF towards a goal of eventual full communion.<br /><br />That leaves Immaculate Heart of Mary in Akron which is staffed by Fr. Leo Carley, a priest formerly of the Scranton Diocese and formerly of the Orthodox Roman Catholic Movement, who, I believe, plans to leave the chapel to the SSPX once he dies or becomes unable to function ministerially.<br /><br />There are definitely some parallels canonically and circumstantially between the folks at St. Peter and the traddy Catholics. But eventually these similarities break down when you start digging into the matters theologically and historicly.W.C. Hoaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11428213688963908558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-72097431018406048332010-08-26T12:30:24.786-07:002010-08-26T12:30:24.786-07:00"There is of course some Traditionalists Chur..."There is of course some Traditionalists Churches in these parts – those who never accepted the reforms of Vatican II. They also broke off and began their own parishes with their own priests who left the Catholic Church."<br /><br />Sacred Heart in Akron is run by the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen out of Spokane, WA. St. Therese in Parma by the Society of St. Pius V out of Oyster Bay, NY. These are sedevacantist mass centres.<br /><br />St. Peregrine in Westlake in run by the Society of St. Pius X out of Econe, Switzerland. The SSPX is, as many know, currently in doctrinal discussions with the CDF towards a goal of eventual full communion.<br /><br />That leaves Immaculate Heart of Mary in Akron which is staffed by Fr. Leo Carley, a priest formerly of the Scranton Diocese and formerly of the Orthodox Roman Catholic Movement, who, I believe, plans to leave the chapel to the SSPX once he dies or becomes unable to function ministerially.<br /><br />There are definitely some parallels canonically and circumstantially between the folks at St. Peter and the traddy Catholics. But eventually these similarities break down when you start digging into the matters theologically and historicly.W.C. Hoaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11428213688963908558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-4226163794536989592010-08-25T20:01:29.133-07:002010-08-25T20:01:29.133-07:00Fr. Z and The American Papist have both mentioned ...Fr. Z and The American Papist have both mentioned this situation. So it is not entirely a local story.<br /><br />I must say the Plain Dealer either doesn't "get it" or really wants the narrative to favor those opposing Bishop Lennon.<br /> <br />All letters to the editor published Sunday were supportive of the actions of those defying Bishop Lennon. I find it hard to believe not a single letter was received in support of the bishop. One was from the pastor of a local Methodist church that could be interpreted as simply a screed of anti-Catholic bigotry.<br /><br />Saddens me, as some of those involved in this (on what I judge to be the wrong side) are within far fewer than seven degrees of separation from me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-18093666120338772872010-08-25T18:30:01.651-07:002010-08-25T18:30:01.651-07:00As you said, there are lots and lots of posters ha...As you said, there are lots and lots of posters having something to say about the closing of St Peter. And now there are lots (9 so far) of posters on what you have to say on the matter.<br /><br />rmkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-59247750772969405382010-08-25T17:51:14.051-07:002010-08-25T17:51:14.051-07:00here is the link
http://forums.catholic.com/showth...here is the link<br />http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=485241Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-2093918909345025672010-08-25T17:49:07.434-07:002010-08-25T17:49:07.434-07:00Catholic Answers has this under Catholic News. So...Catholic Answers has this under Catholic News. So it is out in some places. If Fr. Z or someone like that picks it up....it will explode.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-16753339581768523682010-08-25T12:27:43.175-07:002010-08-25T12:27:43.175-07:00“It’s hard to be obedient when you suspect your su...“It’s hard to be obedient when you suspect your superiors are asses.” I love that quote! I'm a Dominican at heart (maybe one day I'll join the lay Dominicans) so obedience to rightful authority is important to me. As long as I am not being asked to do something immoral I should obey. <br /><br />We should always, ALWAYS (!) speak respectfully of the clergy at all levels. I am shocked at the way some of my family members speak of the bishop. One can disagree and present criticisms while still respecting the person and the office of the bishop.<br /><br />I feel for the people of the diocese who have had their parishes closed and I think the diocese could have handled it better. But obedience remains necessary. <br /><br />I pray that the pastor of St. Peter church will recognize the need for obedience and lead his parishioners back to full communion with the Church.Pattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-59737687207915148072010-08-25T10:12:06.319-07:002010-08-25T10:12:06.319-07:00I was part of a parish closing in January here in ...I was part of a parish closing in January here in Akron. It was a sad time for the remaining parishoners, some of whom had been baptized, confirmed and married in that parish.<br /><br />The final mass was handled extremely well by Bishop Lennon who encountered some hostile parishoners during The Mass! It was sad the way the anger came out as if Bishop Lennon had singled out individuals and decided to try to ruin their lives. It was very strange. <br /><br />It is important to remember that we Catholics are not part of a "cult of personality" like so many of the "mega-churches". We should not be at Mass because we like the priest. I know that helps, but our faith is not about the priest.<br /><br />Being from St. Louis originally, I think this situation in Cleveland will become very much like that at St. Stan's. The whole thing is poisonous and has to be stopped as quickly as possible. Will we lose some Catholics over these sorts of things? Yes, but I think they've all made up their minds.Dr. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17079990196539677085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-33645800150235788022010-08-25T09:41:59.155-07:002010-08-25T09:41:59.155-07:00Very clear and charitable piece.
I was surprised ...Very clear and charitable piece.<br /><br />I was surprised that the comments on local news websites seemed so universally in favor of the breakaways. I think Americans tend to uncritically favor those they perceive as the “downtrodden”.ckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16347299406398966275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-14661957735849776882010-08-25T09:05:30.117-07:002010-08-25T09:05:30.117-07:00How would those who write to the paper to complain...How would those who write to the paper to complain that the bishop is being unfair feel about it if a ward or precinct (not sure what they call them in Cleveland -- a district set up for voting) decided to secede from the city of Cleveland, setting up its own mayor, council, and laws? <br /><br />The situation in this parish is exactly the same.bill7txhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06583247635887386447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-35475115558202498442010-08-25T08:58:49.709-07:002010-08-25T08:58:49.709-07:00so so sad - yes, it's going national;
Differen...so so sad - yes, it's going national;<br />Different, but the same... Can anyone say 'St. Stanislaus' in St. Louis? <br />(Happy feast day to all in St. Louis, MO!)timhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06062778573544803680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-67659211933307078582010-08-25T07:43:04.574-07:002010-08-25T07:43:04.574-07:00At the end of the day it boild down to rules. We ...At the end of the day it boild down to rules. We all have them and we all have to live by them. These decisions are always difficult no matter if it is closing a parrish, or a manufacturing plant, or stopping some government services because theres no money to pay for them. You can't make everyone happy. But to in essence separate from the church is a huge step. Be careful what you wish for St Peter parishoners. Our Holy <br />Mother is patient and forgiving to her faithful... That does not give you license to secede.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com