tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post5321310218294665142..comments2023-12-23T00:19:35.005-08:00Comments on ADAM'S ALE: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATIONFr. Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-5061769995353124342013-03-04T04:52:58.019-08:002013-03-04T04:52:58.019-08:00Fr. Valencheck.
St. Sebastian's has the room, ...Fr. Valencheck.<br />St. Sebastian's has the room, and as Pastor, you have the ability, move the Baptisimal Font back to where it belongs, in the baptistery. It fits it better, it helps people to understand the entire Rite of Baptism, and keeps the Baptismal Font out of the Sanctuary. I think your parishoners would be thrilled if you made this very inexpensive resoration. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-83326386770523201772009-05-26T06:27:07.534-07:002009-05-26T06:27:07.534-07:00Well said, Adoro!Well said, Adoro!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-36861056559487217312008-04-03T21:23:00.000-07:002008-04-03T21:23:00.000-07:00anon~ I'm understanding your point, but Vatican II...anon~ I'm understanding your point, but Vatican II did not do away with the ancient symbolism of the Church. And you're right that liturgy was not designed to follow architectural design; it was designed to bring people to Christ. As Christ transcends us all, and as many of the post Vatican II churches emphasize the people and not the God whom we are baptized to worship, well, then we really need to return to our roots and come to understand not only the predominance of baptism, but of our own faith in the symbolism inherent in the liturgy. While much of what you say seems to discredit the arguments of traditinal liturgical symbolism, I would argue that perhaps you (and everyone) might benefit from a basic understanding of the foundational reality of our faith and what the Documents actually declared...which of themselves, contradict what you imply in your comment.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-66071387839606170592008-04-03T21:13:00.000-07:002008-04-03T21:13:00.000-07:00I guess if baptism was mainly about stain glass wi...I guess if baptism was mainly about stain glass windows and pretty decorated ceilings this would be a compelling argument; but inasmuch as baptism is about water and the initiation of a person into a faith community, it's not troubling that those aspects of baptism that are actually integral seem to trump those that are emphemoral. It could be argued that the most dramatic case of a relocated font from an original location to the church body is St. Colman on W65/Cleveland Diocese. The room in which the font was located was clearly designed for its purpose, but there was not enough room for baptisms to be conducted in a manner other than quite private. The relocated font enables the sacrament of initiation into the community to be actually witnessed by and celebrated in the context of the community. <BR/><BR/>A principle of architectural design is that form follows funtion. Just as human beings were not created to serve the sabbath, the liturgy was not created to serve the architechural design of another era; particuarly one that lacked the insights into sacramental and ecclesiastical theology provided by the Second Vatican Council.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-69597590189460165082008-04-03T06:50:00.000-07:002008-04-03T06:50:00.000-07:00Hi Fr. V -It is I, the St. Bernard's correspondent...Hi Fr. V -<BR/><BR/>It is I, the St. Bernard's correspondent. No, the ghastly water fountain was not a baptistry. I'm not sure why we had it in the front of the church for a time, but for me, listening to it was a "call to nature" and always left me wanting to make a bathroom run (sorry to be graphic!) It reminded me of an iceberg, and it certainly did not fit with the "decor" and we are better off without it. I think when it was there, it shared space with our lovely antique baptismal font, with a small sculpture of Our Lord being Baptised by St. John on the lid.<BR/><BR/>Do stop and visit St. B's if you are ever out our way. We love visitors. I think it is one of the most stunning churches in the Diocese, and I love it (and pray God it doesn't close in the clustering - we are a very nice parish). The scale model is quite something - a parishioner painstakingly created it over a 10-year period, and it is truly a labor of love. - smkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-26267448727734634422008-04-03T00:10:00.000-07:002008-04-03T00:10:00.000-07:00I noticed that the Stations didn't have a cross ab...I noticed that the Stations didn't have a cross above them. I thought that was mandatory.<BR/><BR/>What a pity the Blessed Sacrament is not behind the altar and that the seating is so badly placed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-48233219351054559892008-04-02T18:33:00.000-07:002008-04-02T18:33:00.000-07:00Our baptistery has been turned into a church libr...Our baptistery has been turned into a church library.<BR/><BR/>MaryBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-60362441515587156032008-04-02T17:49:00.000-07:002008-04-02T17:49:00.000-07:00Our baptistery is in the left side of the sanctuar...Our baptistery is in the left side of the sanctuary. In the back of the church we have an ushers room where the collection baskets are stored and on the other side a brides room which doubles as a small library. Now I'll have to check them out this weekend to see if one was used as the baptistery at one time.<BR/><BR/>MJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-81312273356818169542008-04-02T17:06:00.000-07:002008-04-02T17:06:00.000-07:00My parish had to be odd. When it was renovated aft...My parish had to be odd. When it was renovated after a fire, in 1920, we ended up with having a big room as a sacristy/baptistry/day chapel/meeting room combination behind the sanctuary. The platform and an enormous painting of the Apostles preaching and baptizing are still there, along with a twenty-foot-wide vestment cabinet, a spare altar, and a couple big statues. The font ( The basin's Wedgwood, no less. ) is in the Sacred Heart Chapel.Jeffrey Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13669565372315999650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-6901841168657285452008-04-02T13:18:00.000-07:002008-04-02T13:18:00.000-07:00My local church used to have four confessionals. O...My local church used to have four confessionals. One was turned into the storage room for musicians, one was ripped out to make a shrine for Blessed Mary McKillop and another is being ripped out to build a baptistry. The one remaining confessional is the hardest to get to but that doesn't matter because father will sit anywhere in the pews of the church to hear your confession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-85323077233390990112008-04-02T12:23:00.000-07:002008-04-02T12:23:00.000-07:00Anon.Wait! That other - um - thing. What that AC...Anon.<BR/><BR/>Wait! That other - um - thing. What that ACTUALLY A BAPTISMAL FONT??? Are we talking about the same thing? It was big and white and kind of non-descript sculpture - thing? I thought that was just a piece of *ahem* art . . .<BR/><BR/>Anyway - yes! What you have now looks fabulous and I am sorry to say - or rather excited to say that I've not seen the model of the church and look forward to seeing it when next I am down Akron way!Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-67651378348747208842008-04-02T10:16:00.000-07:002008-04-02T10:16:00.000-07:00Hi Fr. V -The former baptistery @ St. Bernard is b...Hi Fr. V -<BR/><BR/>The former baptistery @ St. Bernard is beautiful, even if it isn't used for its Baptisms anymore. It is a peaceful room with the ceiling painted midnight blue with gold-leaf stars. As you said, it is a bit of a history room, with old parish photos as well as the vigil lights. A parishioner constructed a scale model of the church building (lit from inside), with exact replicas of the stained glass (on plasticine) and scale photographic models of staff and parishioners. Our actual antique baptismal font has thankfully replaced the ghastly modernistic water fountain that was in place for a few years, and is located near the St. Joseph altar at the front of the church. Very best wishes to you and your parish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-45268318699328825422008-04-02T05:36:00.000-07:002008-04-02T05:36:00.000-07:00The baptistry at my church was located in an alcov...The baptistry at my church was located in an alcove in the sacristy. <BR/><BR/>When the font was moved into the nave, the baptistry became the priest's closet. <BR/><BR/>A few years ago, the church ws renovated and the sacristy was made smaller. The baptistry is now the restroom. People always comment on the strange architecture (it's a 1/2 circle).<BR/><BR/>The font is now located in the back of the nave, off to the right.DominiSumushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02219325748138519802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-13627855264417620042008-04-02T05:30:00.000-07:002008-04-02T05:30:00.000-07:00ROFL! I have this mental image of the baptismal f...ROFL! I have this mental image of the baptismal font just wandering around, seeing the sights....LOL! (And I'm also really happy that I didn't select a particular VBS program, solid in theology, but which has as its characters the Tabernacle and Baptismal Font personified!) <BR/><BR/>Most of the parishes I attend are more modern in design. In mine, the font is between the tabernacle and the sanctuary, in the other, it is off to the side. <BR/><BR/>And there's so much symbolism with the placement...it's too bad so many architects decided to go away from the ancient symbolism in favor of...well...whatever's going on now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com