tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post4252544983423377712..comments2023-12-23T00:19:35.005-08:00Comments on ADAM'S ALE: SYMBOLIC SATURDAY - FIGURING OUT WHICH WAY TO GOFr. Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-76275185118575547922007-07-01T20:05:00.000-07:002007-07-01T20:05:00.000-07:00I'll have to go with ~m2~ on this. Good post Fr.V....I'll have to go with ~m2~ on this. Good post Fr.V.<BR/>O ::thrive <A HREF="http://luminousmiseries.ca" REL="nofollow">luminousmiseries</A> || <A HREF="http://onionboy.ca" REL="nofollow">onionboy.ca</A>owenswainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00540186205959897960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-4568872941949681352007-07-01T14:00:00.000-07:002007-07-01T14:00:00.000-07:00While we're on this topic....you have GOT to check...While we're on this topic....you have GOT to check out this link! <BR/><BR/>http://newhousenewjob.blogspot.com/2007/06/spot-difference.html<BR/><BR/>Catholic Church...or Coal Mine?<BR/><BR/>I found this through Et-Tu, Jen?, an awesome blog, a convert from atheism to Catholicism. <BR/><BR/>http://www.et-tu.blogspot.com/Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-80899271917968800002007-07-01T08:04:00.000-07:002007-07-01T08:04:00.000-07:00"all this made worse by a generation that would ra...<I>"all this made worse by a generation that would rather have cable than support art"</I><BR/><BR/>I don't know that it's a generation that would rather have cable than support art so much as it's a generation that was raised to think that 'art' was on cable. Think about how often movies and 'good' tv is praised as 'art'. <BR/><BR/>Then consider the fact that it's a generation that was raised in the church while everything was being ripped out. As children they were told that statues, high alters, paintings etc. were no longer 'necessary' or 'good' and that they should decorate the church themselves with banners and the like. I know that is what I was taught.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't blame most people who don't support art in the Church... they are only doing what they were taught. Now it's up to us who disagree to teach a different perspective.Mary Marthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00719610017317232480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-5755641319356277352007-07-01T06:55:00.000-07:002007-07-01T06:55:00.000-07:00ROFL! Well, for sure, much of what Fr. V. tells u...ROFL! Well, for sure, much of what Fr. V. tells us of here, I didn't know, and I am tickled to hear it all. Now I have to wonder what symbolism I missed in all the churches and cathedrals I've visited! <BR/><BR/>I grew up in an Italian-marble, oaken-pewed church which must've been even more beautiful before it was rebuilt after a fire, but I was married in a pink rug-and-teakwood skinny-pew church. And if I'd thought Killarney's and St. Colman's Cathedral were exquisite (oh-the-Pietas! oh-the-pipes oh-the-resting-rooms for bodies to lie in state overnight!), oh my goodness, those paled beside Our Lady of Victory basilica in/near Buffalo, NY. I could not take it all in.. each of the Stations there are life-sized and are of marble carved in one piece. On either side of the entrance, an angel-sized angel holds a bowl of holy water so large, I'm sure they have trouble keeping the kids from wading. The side altars alone -- Blessed Virgin Mary, Pieta, St. Joseph, etc. -- dwarf even main altars I've seen here or elsewhere in NY. I've seen the Papal umbrellas (not sure what they are called) and how impressive ALL of it was, but in OLV, there are some red marble pillars (and lots of gold) rising up from the main altar, and even tho' I can find Him in any church no matter how humble, I so nearly cried in thinking, "This magnificence <I>befits</I> Him." Churches are my "Disney World," so to speak. And may I just say that in all the wondrous cathedrals, the Tabernacle is in the main altar.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for teaching us of so much that we have missed or missed out on.<BR/><BR/>C.O.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-11121176453227361602007-06-30T19:35:00.000-07:002007-06-30T19:35:00.000-07:00I love it when you're bitter Father!I love it when you're bitter Father!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-41830112549392637532007-06-30T18:27:00.000-07:002007-06-30T18:27:00.000-07:00Speaking as a lover of the arts...well, any bitter...Speaking as a lover of the arts...well, any bitterness on your part about it is completely justified. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I'm working with others to try to add art back to our parish. Apparently we used to have it and then the stoics and minimalists and the "art" deco freaks took over and turned it into a box to hold some stained glass and a few pews. <BR/><BR/>Hopefully things will improve before my 2 years of service are done. We can't change the arcitecture, but we sure can bring the art back. <BR/><BR/>Much of the argument I've heard against is has to do with "fire codes" and "ordinances". Hmm...I'm quite familiar with reading such documents, and I have measuring tape and the like. I have a feeling that some of their arguments are about to be disproven by the very legal documents they cite. <BR/><BR/>Jesus and Mary are coming back to the forefront and bare walls are going away if myself and people wiser and more artistic than myself have anything to do with it! <BR/><BR/>Too bad we can't turn our church in its axis, though....Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-22189407772389181282007-06-30T18:15:00.000-07:002007-06-30T18:15:00.000-07:00Adoro - We didn't learn it, then we couldn't pass ...Adoro - We didn't learn it, then we couldn't pass it on, - and then we ended up in an iconaclastic period, manipulated into giving up our patrimony by those of a minimalist, untilitarian mindset that forgot both the etheral and that they were dealing not with art alone, but art that needed to help human beings relate to nature, the cosmos and the eternal - mix in that we have lost contact with nature as a society, all this made worse by a generation that would rather have cable than support art, and you get plain boxes that could pass for a church, Kmart, or gym. But I think things are changing. (Gads, that sounds bitter. I didn't mean it to.) (Okay, yes I did.)<BR/><BR/>Thanks C.O.Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-16005999696595843022007-06-30T09:50:00.000-07:002007-06-30T09:50:00.000-07:00-West is the seat of darkness, the abode of demons...-West is the seat of darkness, the abode of demons and California. (I realize this is only funny for those living in the east. Sorry.) (Really.)-<BR/><BR/>We in Arizona agree!Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00028190531437571201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-51657058360787256952007-06-30T08:58:00.000-07:002007-06-30T08:58:00.000-07:00We haven't lost it.. God sent us Fr. V. to remind ...We haven't lost it.. God sent us Fr. V. to remind us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-13449053918233774762007-06-30T05:53:00.000-07:002007-06-30T05:53:00.000-07:00Wow. Whose hairbrained idea was it to ever forget ...Wow. Whose hairbrained idea was it to ever forget about this symbolism? This is great stuff, and we are so poor, in this country, to have lost all this symbolism!Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.com