tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post3081349742449929247..comments2023-12-23T00:19:35.005-08:00Comments on ADAM'S ALE: SIT ANATHEMA! SIT! GOOD DOG.Fr. Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-32098204798709140252008-04-19T11:46:00.000-07:002008-04-19T11:46:00.000-07:00Great title for the post, and great post.Great title for the post, and great post.Deacon Bill Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11484509700642430451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-71993736012562920092008-04-16T11:32:00.000-07:002008-04-16T11:32:00.000-07:00A.M. - Good point.(Again - language. It makes com...A.M. - Good point.<BR/><BR/>(Again - language. It makes communication so difficult.)Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-23723856323267172962008-04-16T10:44:00.000-07:002008-04-16T10:44:00.000-07:00Society has really done a number on dogma by using...Society has really done a number on dogma by using it in the general vocabulary for meaning a law that ends all laws, or something of the sort, rather than a clarification of Church belief and an annunciation of the divine mysteries! <BR/><BR/>Dogma rules!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-23353390528471648742008-04-16T09:52:00.000-07:002008-04-16T09:52:00.000-07:00I usually say, "'Cause God said so.":-) But usuall...I usually say, "'Cause God said so."<BR/><BR/>:-) But usually, I'm not the one who is asked. <BR/><BR/>"We do amazing things for people we love. And those things may involve following certain rules, but because we are motivated out of love for another, the rules don't matter; they are just a logical course of action.." If only I could explain <I>that</I> much!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-60359479714808933362008-04-16T08:52:00.000-07:002008-04-16T08:52:00.000-07:00That's why I said it is both true and not true. T...That's why I said it is both true and not true. The "Church" is indeed all of us. These are the things upon which we agree. So when we say "the Church" we mean those of us who believe in these truths as revealed by God.<BR/><BR/>ON THE OTRO MANO - The pope is our visible head, our "spokesman" of sorts. So yeah, the pope says so. ROb's answer is PERFECT for those who already buy into God and His Church - Adoro's answer is perfect for trying to explain it to someone who doesn't "get it."<BR/><BR/>At lease so I think.Fr. Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201561855047420853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-43688902437588290712008-04-16T08:02:00.000-07:002008-04-16T08:02:00.000-07:00Rob ~ But that's not a complete answer, and it won...Rob ~ But that's not a complete answer, and it won't help people understand. The core of dissent, besides having the wrong foundation, is the big looming question, "Why?" <BR/><BR/>And that question is logical. That's basically the question St.Thomas Aquinas answered in all his volumes of work! <BR/><BR/>So in the case of the lack of authority to ordain women...well, it's because it belongs to the deposit of the faith. It goes back to the time of the Apostles, when Jesus chose only men to fulfill this role. And it carried on, never changing, the common understanding and theology was never disrupted. So far, it is not elevated to the level of dogma (because JP2 left out a couple important words), but I fully expect that it will become defined as official dogma at some point in the future, which will relegate the women who think they are ordained into the formal category of "heretic". (Which they currently are not. They are excommunicated, though, through their actions. )<BR/><BR/>I know YOU know this, but a lot of people don't, and they NEED the explanation. They may still choose to disregard it, but they have the God-given free will to do so.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-67000960898166139272008-04-16T07:57:00.000-07:002008-04-16T07:57:00.000-07:00This is an excellent post. One thing that I've not...This is an excellent post. <BR/><BR/>One thing that I've noticed in studying theology, even going back to my days as an undergrad, was the absolute insistence of the professors that we define our terms...and then use them appropriately. Last spring in my JP2 class, there was a great deal of discussion with regard to the terms used in Vatican II...and their subsequent misinterpretation; ie the hermeneutic of discontinuity. The Church does nothing without taking care to do it in light of what has always been true. <BR/><BR/>Just the other day (or yesterday maybe?) I was speaking with someone and she brought up this complete dischord. It's the fledglings in the faith; they interpret what the Church says from the wrong foundation. They have a problem with authority, and so they tend to look at the doctrines and dogmas as "rules" that must be followed. And they don't like it. On the other hand, you have people who may still have a problem with authority, but still accept it, or in fact, see the supernatural heirarchy of the Church as God's design...and fall in love. And it is from this love that obedience rises. We don't go to Mass on Sunday because we "have to". And sometimes we don't want to for some reason. But we go...because we love God and we know that He wills our Good. <BR/><BR/>If we can help people to understand the proper motivation, and see in the terms of their own lives how this really works, then maybe some inroads can be made. We do amazing things for people we love. And those things may involve following certain rules, but because we are motivated out of love for another, the rules don't matter; they are just a logical course of action - they fit naturally into the course of our choices and decisions.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-54908049619864830462008-04-16T07:54:00.000-07:002008-04-16T07:54:00.000-07:00-Well, that is not exactly true-It isn't at all tr...-Well, that is not exactly true-<BR/><BR/>It isn't at all true. The Pope, as Sparky says, is a guardian of the Truth. Just as when JP II said he could NOT ordain women. It wasn't his personal choice. He knew that the Magisterium had spoken long before and was merely recognizing the Truth. The answer to the question, "Who says?" is:<BR/><BR/>"The Church says so!"Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00028190531437571201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5745814378416915364.post-50135850923769657962008-04-16T05:49:00.000-07:002008-04-16T05:49:00.000-07:00Good post.I think a lot of Catholics have the misc...Good post.<BR/><BR/>I think a lot of Catholics have the misconception that a bunch of guys in Rome with funny hats sit around creating rules for us. Most don't understand that our Church guards Truth, it doesn't manufacture it.<BR/><BR/>I never thought about the need the Church has for a vocabulary that will speak to every age (well, DUH!).<BR/><BR/>I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but the one term that crops up in Catholic books that really makes me gag is "marital act". I know it conveys a certain meaning, but it reminds me of an episode of Friends where Monica says something about giving a man "her flower" and Rachael says, if you keep calling it that, no one is going to take it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com